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Initial build of forest/domain on 2012 server - However No DNS records under _msdcs.domain

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Hi this is my first windows 2012 domain controller and I am creating a new domain, new forest  (both 2008 R2 functional level)- it promotes ok , There are no member servers as they cannot join as there are no records under the DNS zone _mcdcs.<domain>

I run the server manager tool - added the roles selected AD servers and DNS services, waited for it to finish, then selected the little alert and told it to promote it.

The Name server record for the _msdcs zone is there under subdomain.company.com - but the zone itself is empty except for SOA and NS records

I have created a reverse lookup zone and the ptr record got created ok  - so DNS is running

The DNS settings are set to point to 127.0.0.1 (I have also tried setting it to the real IP )

I have stopped and restarted netlogon , run ipconfig /registerdns, rebooted etc

IPV6 is disabled (a corporate build )  - Could this be a problem?  My 2008 R2 Dc's are fine with IPv6 disabled

dcdiag /fix cant do anything as it cant "find the server to fix"

dcdiag output is
Directory Server Diagnosis
Performing initial setup:
   Trying to find home server...
   Home Server = DE08W1854
   * Identified AD Forest.
   Done gathering initial info.

Doing initial required tests
   Testing server: Default-First-Site-Name\DE08W1854
      Starting test: Connectivity
         The host
         f9857cf4-6685-4b99-84b7-db99d61e1ceb._msdcs.subdomain.company.com
         could not be resolved to an IP address. Check the DNS server, DHCP,
         server name, etc.
         Got error while checking LDAP and RPC connectivity. Please check your
         firewall settings.
         ......................... DE08W1854 failed test Connectivity
Doing primary tests
   Testing server: Default-First-Site-Name\DE08W1854
      Skipping all tests, because server DE08W1854 is not responding to
      directory service requests.

   Running partition tests on : ForestDnsZones
      Starting test: CheckSDRefDom
         ......................... ForestDnsZones passed test CheckSDRefDom
      Starting test: CrossRefValidation
         ......................... ForestDnsZones passed test
         CrossRefValidation

   
   Running partition tests on : DomainDnsZones

      Starting test: CheckSDRefDom
         ......................... DomainDnsZones passed test CheckSDRefDom
      Starting test: CrossRefValidation
         ......................... DomainDnsZones passed test
         CrossRefValidation
  
   Running partition tests on : Schema
      Starting test: CheckSDRefDom
         ......................... Schema passed test CheckSDRefDom
      Starting test: CrossRefValidation
         ......................... Schema passed test CrossRefValidation
  
   Running partition tests on : Configuration
      Starting test: CheckSDRefDom
         ......................... Configuration passed test CheckSDRefDom
      Starting test: CrossRefValidation
         ......................... Configuration passed test CrossRefValidation
 
   Running partition tests on : subdomain
      Starting test: CheckSDRefDom
         ......................... subdomain passed test CheckSDRefDom
      Starting test: CrossRefValidation
         ......................... subdomain passed test CrossRefValidation
  
   Running enterprise tests on : subdomain.company.com
      Starting test: LocatorCheck
         ......................... subdomain.company.com passed test
         LocatorCheck
      Starting test: Intersite
         ......................... subdomain.company.com passed test
         Intersite


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